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  Resurrection Of The Earthly Class

  by sojourner7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can anyone tell me what the wt teaches about the resurrection of the earthly class?

  do they get completely different bodies or is it a resurrection of the present body?

  also, since most of scripture is written for the annointed class, and the annointed class are supposed to go to heaven in spirit bodies, how do they handle romans 8:11?.

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  The Org states the following about the so-called "earthly class":

  w98 7/1 p. 21 par. 11 "Death Is to Be Brought to Nothing"

  While resurrected ones will be the same individuals they were before their death, they will not need to have the same bodies. As with those raised to heaven, God will give them a body just as it pleases him. No doubt their new bodies will be physically sound and reasonably similar to their original body so that they will be recognized by their loved ones.

  Consider the following also, which is cross-referenced with Romans 8:11:

  (Ephesians 2:4-5) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, 5 　made us alive together with the Christ, even when we were dead in trespasses—by undeserved kindness YOU have been saved.
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  Elder and i discussed beards, and got into rules and regulations

  by Jon Preston in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  during a study the elder brought out that eating blood and omens are from the devil, and brought me to leviticus 19:26 (i think).. in verse 27 i says this:.

  you must not shave the hair on the side of your head or disfigure the edges of your beard.. i said: "so why are we not allowed to have beards?".

  elder: "thats a good question, cleric.

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  Ask the elder why angels depicted in the literature have beards!! If beards are OK in heaven, why not in a KH?
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  Time to Scan 1950 to 2000 "Original" WT publications

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  since the wt library is 2000+ and since they are no longer doing the cd wt cd which had articles from 1950 to 2008, in the future quotes from those dates may be said to be apostate lies.

  those who are into preserving the original stuff may want to start scanning those materials, if it hasn't already been done.

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  The 2013 WT CD ROM is out now!
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  After Tony's Talk: how are GB members selected and by who?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after the shamefull tony morris iii talk in italy, i am thinking about how it is possible that a multi billion corporation is managed by 8 old crazy man?.

  who's selecting new gb members?

  is it enough to be a extreme manager-elder, then getting promotion to a manager-co / do, put the organization strictly first and on who's radar you have to be?.

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  The Searcher

  If you believe that the GB runs Watchtower Inc., then you must believe that Obama runs the U.S.A.! The OctoPope is like every mega-organization on earth - puppets and figure-heads placed at the top, but faceless ones in the shadows have the REAL power!

  Also, if the 8 - man GB were to be wiped out in a freak accident during their weekly conclave at Brooklyn, who would appoint a replacement GB - God/Jesus? :)

  The WTBTS financial department would have bums on those seats before they got cold!
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  Talking with a nonbeliever...

  by suavojr in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my search for the truth and the burning desire to become free from all forms of dogma and wishful thinking.

  i have approached my first crossroads in my life, should i continue to believe in a god or not?.

  currently i am leaning toward agnosticism, but all the suffering in the world, all the loss and pain in my own life makes it hard for me to simply let go of the idea and hope that at the end justice will prevail, that one day god can make it all good.. .

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  If God doesn't exist, then God help all of us on planet earth!

  The governments ain't gonna colonise Mars in time, by the looks of things!
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  Meeting Today

  by lambsbottom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  me and the spouse looked over the wt and decided it wouldn't be in our best spiritual interest to stay for the wt (we usually don't anymore).. so, took the kids to the public talk (was actually great, nice brother), took them outside for a snack and snuggled/played...and then left (an hour early).. .

  felt great!

  gotta do what you know is best for you spiritually!

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  LAMBSBOTTOM - If we didn't have to provide transport for an interested person (Bible study of a car-less sister) we would have gone after the talk as well!

  During the WT study, my wife pointed to this corrupt mis-application of of a Bible verse;

  "Thus, obeying Christian overseers shows our respect for Jehovah and Jesus, the two greatest Shepherds. (Luke 10:16) Surely this should be the foremost reason why we desire to be submissive to the elders."

  She pointed to the opening verses of the chapter to show that Jesus was speaking in the context of the ministry, to his 70 disciples - he wasn't by any stretch of the imagination referring to elders!!! But let's not get hung up on what Jesus was really talking about - if we can twist it to fit in with our dogma about "glorious ones"!!
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  Reading the Bible with my wife.

  by FadeToBlack in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after she came home today from the meeting and we had a big discussion about the need for christains to meet together.

  she was very concerned that i would not survive the coming big a. i suggested that we start reading the bible together (just to show her i wasn't uninterested )and try to keep up with the wt schedule.

  she agreed.

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  I really feel for you, and I hope that you gently lead your wife to TTATT.

  I am married to someone who used to be a regular pioneer, but when she examined what I was discovering, she never once rejected TTATT in favour of the Org!

  I am really thankful that she has "made the truth her own" - the real truth!!

  My best wishes for you as you try to lead your loved one out of the labyrinth of the WTBTS!
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  Not that old chestnut....

  by quellycatface in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just come off the phone to my mum.

  she asked me why i da'd from the wtbts, she'd been to the meeting this morning and she'd been at the bottle as well - not a good combo, for her, anyway.. i said i did'nt want to go into it too much, as i may stumble her.

  she kept pushing so i said, last year i was'nt happy about the overlapping generation doctrine and did'nt agree that the org had taken bits out of the nwt.

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  Ask your mother if she can tell you how many ways there are to get forgiveness of sins?

  She'll probably say 'One'.

  Then ask her to tell you how many ways the Org says there are! (Two!)

  Ask her to do research on Romans 6:7, using the WT CD ROM, look her straight in the eye, and tell her that the WTBTS and the Governing Body of The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are BLASPHEMING the ransom sacrifice of Christ, by lying to and teaching 8 million Witnesses and 9,254,963 Bible studies, that their own death wipes out their sins!! Come on down Adolf - you are acquitted of your sins because you stopped breathing in the bunker!!)

  A demon inspired expression!

  ( w07 1/1 p. 28 par. 11 “The First Resurrection”—Now Under Way;

  " It seems that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today."

  So the OctoPope is sitting in Brooklyn every week, having a seance with what they think are "resurrected anointed ones".

  Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on that wall!
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  Loyalty to Org Over Everything Else

  by startingover13 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm slowly beginning to realize that the person who i love the most is more loyal to an organization above all else.

  some time ago, i wrote about how my girlfriend and i were both df'd for fornication.

  i do believe that what we did was out of line, from a biblical standpoint, and i accepted my discipline.

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  Just remind your girlfriend that in each of the examples below, all the sinners/doubters got disfellowshipped, then shunned, then had to wait 12-18 months before being accepted back into the fold! :)

  Ask her to comment on God's/Jesus' forgiveness, compared to the Org's standards!

  (Matthew 28:16-17) However, the eleven disciples went into Gal´i·lee to the mountain where Jesus had arranged for them, and when they saw him they did obeisance, but some doubted.

  (Matthew 26:75) And Peter called to mind the saying Jesus spoke, namely: "Before a cock crows, you will disown me three times." And he went outside and wept bitterly.

  (Luke 15:18-19) I will rise and journey to my father and say to him: "Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy of being called your son. Make me as one of your hired men."’ (the prodigal son)
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  If non-anointed JW's are now "domestics" then they must also be in "the household of God" - Eph 2:19

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the new light from 2012 summarized on jw.org:.

  who are the domestics?.

  jesus said that his domestics would receive food at the proper time.all genuine followers of jesus are fed by the faithful and discreet slave.

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  The Searcher

  Sounds logical!!

  A couple of weeks ago I asked a zealous sister and her husband about all the REVERSALS (not clarifications!) of doctrines in the July 15th WT, and I asked them, "If the GB stated at the Annual Meeting in 10 months time, that we were all now to partake of the emblems, would you do it?".

  She immediately said 'no', "because it's only the anointed who should partake."

  I said that she accepted all these OTHER reversals without any trouble, so why not this one? No answer!

  I then said she'd probably be D/Fd for not partaking!!